Schirmerite
A discredited species name
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About Schirmerite
Formula:
PbAgBi3S6 - Pb3Ag1.5Bi3.5S9
Formula originally suggested to be AgPb2Bi3S7 by Karup-Møller (1973).
Colour:
Lead- to iron-gray
Lustre:
Metallic
Hardness:
2
Crystal System:
Orthorhombic
Member of:
Name:
Named after Jacob Frederick L. Schirmer, Superintendent of the US Mint at Denver, Colorado. (See http://www.mindat.org/mesg-6-153088.html for discussion on origin of name).
First Recorded Locality:
Makovicky and Karup-Møller (1977) redefine schirmerite from the type locality ("Type 2") as a disordered monoclinic phase with a composition intermediate between PbAgBi3S6 and Pb3Ag1.5Bi3.5S9. According to Moëlo et al. (2008) the composition is between those of gustavite and (Ag,Bi)-rich heyrovskýite; they state that such a disordered intergrowth is not a valid species. Schirmerite is currently a discredited species.
Moëlo et al. (2008) discuss whether schirmerite "Type 1" (as defined by Bortnikov et al., 1987) is equivalent to schapbachite or corresponds to an ordered dimorph.
Moëlo et al. (2008) discuss whether schirmerite "Type 1" (as defined by Bortnikov et al., 1987) is equivalent to schapbachite or corresponds to an ordered dimorph.
Unique Identifiers
Mindat ID:
3567
Long-form identifier:
mindat:1:1:3567:1
IMA Classification of Schirmerite
Discredited
Classification of Schirmerite
2.JB.40d
2 : SULFIDES and SULFOSALTS (sulfides, selenides, tellurides; arsenides, antimonides, bismuthides; sulfarsenites, sulfantimonites, sulfbismuthites, etc.)
J : Sulfosalts of PbS archetype
B : Galena derivatives, with Pb
2 : SULFIDES and SULFOSALTS (sulfides, selenides, tellurides; arsenides, antimonides, bismuthides; sulfarsenites, sulfantimonites, sulfbismuthites, etc.)
J : Sulfosalts of PbS archetype
B : Galena derivatives, with Pb
3.5.5.1
3 : SULFOSALTS
5 : 2.5 < ø < 3
3 : SULFOSALTS
5 : 2.5 < ø < 3
5.7.34
5 : Sulphosalts - Sulpharsenites and Sulphobismuthites (those containing Sn, Ge,or V are in Section 6)
7 : Sulpharsenites etc. of Pb and other metals
5 : Sulphosalts - Sulpharsenites and Sulphobismuthites (those containing Sn, Ge,or V are in Section 6)
7 : Sulpharsenites etc. of Pb and other metals
Physical Properties of Schirmerite
Optical Data of Schirmerite
Anisotropism:
Weak
Colour in reflected light:
White
Chemistry of Schirmerite
Mindat Formula:
PbAgBi3S6 - Pb3Ag1.5Bi3.5S9
Formula originally suggested to be AgPb2Bi3S7 by Karup-Møller (1973).
Formula originally suggested to be AgPb2Bi3S7 by Karup-Møller (1973).
Element Weights:
Elements listed:
Common Impurities:
Cu
Crystallography of Schirmerite
Crystal System:
Orthorhombic
Cell Parameters:
a = 13.44 Å, b = 44.38 Å, c = 4.02 Å
Ratio:
a:b:c = 0.303 : 1 : 0.091
Unit Cell V:
2,397.80 ų (Calculated from Unit Cell)
First Recorded Occurrence of Schirmerite
Synonyms of Schirmerite
Other Language Names for Schirmerite
Relationship of Schirmerite to other Species
Member of:
Other Members of Lillianite Homologous Series:
| Andreadiniite | CuHgAg7Pb7Sb24S48 | Mon. 2/m : P21/b |
| Arsenquatrandorite | Ag17.6Pb12.8Sb38.1As11.5S96 | Mon. 2/m : P21/b |
| Aschamalmite | Pb6-3xBi2+xS9 | Mon. 2/m : B2/m |
| Baiamareite | Ag4Pb12Fe4Sb20S48 | Mon. 2/m |
| Brusnitsynite | Mn3CuPbAs3Sb2S12 | Mon. 2/m : P21/b |
| Clino-oscarkempffite | Ag15Pb6Sb21Bi18S72 | Mon. 2/m : P21/b |
| Erzwiesite | Ag8Pb12Bi16S40 | Orth. mmm(2/m2/m2/m) : Cmcm |
| Eskimoite | Ag7Pb10Bi15S36 | Mon. |
| Fizélyite | Ag5Pb14Sb21S48 | Mon. 2/m |
| Gustavite | AgPbBi3S6 | Orth. mmm(2/m2/m2/m) |
| Heyrovskýite | Pb6Bi2S9 | Orth. mmm(2/m2/m2/m) : Cccm |
| Holubite | Ag3Pb6(Sb8Bi3)S24 | Mon. 2/m |
| Jasrouxite | Ag16Pb4(Sb25As15)S72 | Tric. 1 : P1 |
| Lasmanisite | Ag12Pb13Mn11Sb44S96 | Orth. 222 : P212121 |
| Lazerckerite | Ag3.75Pb4.50(Sb7.75Bi4)S24 | Mon. 2/m : P21/b |
| Lillianite | Pb3-2xAgxBi2+xS6 | Orth. mmm(2/m2/m2/m) |
| Menchettiite | AgPb2.40Mn1.60Sb3As2S12 | Mon. 2/m : P21/b |
| Oscarkempffite | Ag10Pb4(Sb17Bi9)S48 | Orth. mm2 |
| Ourayite | Ag3Pb4Bi5S13 | Orth. |
| Oyonite | Ag3Mn2Pb4Sb7As4S24 | Mon. 2/m |
| Quatrandorite | AgPbSb3S6 | Mon. 2/m : P21/b |
| Ramdohrite | Pb5.9Fe0.1Mn0.1In0.1Cd0.2Ag2.8Sb10.8S24 | Mon. 2/m |
| Roshchinite | Ag19Pb10Sb51S96 | Orth. mmm(2/m2/m2/m) : Pnma |
| Senandorite | AgPbSb3S6 | Orth. mm2 : Pmn21 |
| Staročeskéite | Ag0.70Pb1.60(Bi1.35Sb1.35)Σ2.70S6 | Orth. mmm(2/m2/m2/m) : Cmcm |
| Tarutinoite | Ag3Pb7Bi7S19 | Mon. 2/m : B2/m |
| Terrywallaceite | AgPb(Sb,Bi)3S6 | Mon. 2/m : P21/b |
| Treasurite | Ag7Pb6Bi15S32 | Mon. |
| Uchucchacuaite | AgMnPb3Sb5S12 | Orth. mmm(2/m2/m2/m) : Pmmm |
| Ustarasite | Pb(Bi,Sb)6S10 (?) | |
| Vikingite | Ag5Pb8Bi13S30 | Mon. 2/m : B2/m |
| Xilingolite | Pb3Bi2S6 | Mon. |
Common Associates
Associations Based on Photo Data:
| 4 photos of Schirmerite associated with Pyrite | FeS2 |
| 1 photo of Schirmerite associated with Treasurite | Ag7Pb6Bi15S32 |
| 1 photo of Schirmerite associated with Gustavite | AgPbBi3S6 |
| 1 photo of Schirmerite associated with Sphalerite | ZnS |
Related Minerals - Strunz-mindat Grouping
| 2.JB. | Clino-oscarkempffite | Ag15Pb6Sb21Bi18S72 |
| 2.JB. | Arsenquatrandorite | Ag17.6Pb12.8Sb38.1As11.5S96 |
| 2.JB. | Ginelfite | Ag2(Ag0.5Fe)TlPb23.5(Sb,As)33.5S76 |
| 2.JB. | Andreadiniite | CuHgAg7Pb7Sb24S48 |
| 2.JB. | Chukotkaite | AgPb7Sb5S15 |
| 2.JB. | Selenojunoite | Cu2Pb3Bi8Se16 |
| 2.JB. | Lechnerite | Ag10Cu4HgPb33Sb58S128 |
| 2.JB. | Cuprosenandorite | Ag16Cu8Pb24Sb72S144 |
| 2.JB. | Morleyite | Ag2CuPb25Sb24As4S68.5 |
| 2.JB. | Lazerckerite | Ag3.75Pb4.50(Sb7.75Bi4)S24 |
| 2.JB. | Lasmanisite | Ag12Pb13Mn11Sb44S96 |
| 2.JB. | Montpelvouxite | AgPb16Sb27As18S84 |
| 2.JB. | Senandorite | AgPbSb3S6 |
| 2.JB. | Oscarkempffite | Ag10Pb4(Sb17Bi9)S48 |
| 2.JB.05 | Diaphorite | Ag3Pb2Sb3S8 |
| 2.JB.10 | Cosalite | Pb2Bi2S5 |
| 2.JB.15 | Marrite | AgPbAsS3 |
| 2.JB.15 | Freieslebenite | AgPbSbS3 |
| 2.JB.20 | Cannizzarite | Pb48Bi56S132 |
| 2.JB.20 | Wittite | Pb9Bi12(S,Se)27 |
| 2.JB.25j | Rouxelite | Cu2HgPb23Sb27S65.5 |
| 2.JB.25i | Neyite | Ag2Cu6Pb25Bi26S68 |
| 2.JB.25a | Junoite | Cu2Pb3Bi8(S,Se)16 |
| 2.JB.25f | Ángelaite | Cu2AgPbBiS4 |
| 2.JB.25e | Galenobismutite | PbBi2S4 |
| 2.JB.25c | Nordströmite | CuPb3Bi7(Se4S10) |
| 2.JB.25i | Cuproneyite | Cu7Pb27Bi25S68 |
| 2.JB.25g | Nuffieldite | Cu1.4Pb2.4Bi2.4Sb0.2S7 |
| 2.JB.25h | Weibullite | Pb5Bi8Se7S11 |
| 2.JB.25d | Proudite | CuPb7.5Bi9.33(S,Se)22 |
| 2.JB.25b | Felbertalite | Cu2Pb6Bi8S19 |
| 2.JB.30a | Jordanite | Pb14As6S23 |
| 2.JB.30a | Geocronite | Pb14Sb6S23 |
| 2.JB.30a | Arsenmarcobaldiite | Pb12(As3.2Sb2.8)Σ6S21 |
| 2.JB.30b | Kirkiite | Pb10Bi3As3S19 |
| 2.JB.30c | Tsugaruite | Pb28As15S50Cl |
| 2.JB.30a | Marcobaldiite | Pb12(Sb3As2Bi)Σ6S21 |
| 2.JB.35d | Pellouxite | (Cu,Ag)Pb10Sb12S27O(Cl,S)0.6 |
| 2.JB.35e | Chovanite | Pb15-2xSb14+2xS36Ox (x ~ 0.2) |
| 2.JB.35a | Zinkenite | Pb9Sb22S42 |
| 2.JB.35c | Pillaite | Pb9Sb10S23ClO0.5 |
| 2.JB.35b | Scainiite | Pb14Sb30S54O5 |
| 2.JB.35f | Tubulite | Ag2Pb22Sb20S53 |
| 2.JB.40a | Fizélyite | Ag5Pb14Sb21S48 |
| 2.JB.40a | Ramdohrite | Pb5.9Fe0.1Mn0.1In0.1Cd0.2Ag2.8Sb10.8S24 |
| 2.JB.40e | Ustarasite | Pb(Bi,Sb)6S10 (?) |
| 2.JB.40a | 'Bursaite' | Pb5Bi4S11 (?) |
| 2.JB.40 | 'UM1988-05-S:AgBiCuHgPb' | (Hg,Ag,Cu,Pb)5Pb5Bi11S27 |
| 2.JB.40 | 'UM1988-06-S:AgBiCuHgPb' | (Pb,Hg)12(Cu,Ag)3(Bi,Sb)10(S,Te)27 |
| 2.JB.40a | Terrywallaceite | AgPb(Sb,Bi)3S6 |
| 2.JB.40a | Jasrouxite | Ag16Pb4(Sb25As15)S72 |
| 2.JB.40a | Tarutinoite | Ag3Pb7Bi7S19 |
| 2.JB.40a | Oyonite | Ag3Mn2Pb4Sb7As4S24 |
| 2.JB.40b | Heyrovskýite | Pb6Bi2S9 |
| 2.JB.40a | Quatrandorite | AgPbSb3S6 |
| 2.JB.40a | Erzwiesite | Ag8Pb12Bi16S40 |
| 2.JB.40a | Vikingite | Ag5Pb8Bi13S30 |
| 2.JB.40a | Lillianite | Pb3-2xAgxBi2+xS6 |
| 2.JB.40b | Baiamareite | Ag4Pb12Fe4Sb20S48 |
| 2.JB.40a | Staročeskéite | Ag0.70Pb1.60(Bi1.35Sb1.35)Σ2.70S6 |
| 2.JB.40a | Roshchinite | Ag19Pb10Sb51S96 |
| 2.JB.40b | Aschamalmite | Pb6-3xBi2+xS9 |
| 2.JB.40b | Eskimoite | Ag7Pb10Bi15S36 |
| 2.JB.40a | Menchettiite | AgPb2.40Mn1.60Sb3As2S12 |
| 2.JB.40a | Holubite | Ag3Pb6(Sb8Bi3)S24 |
| 2.JB.40a | Brusnitsynite | Mn3CuPbAs3Sb2S12 |
| 2.JB.40a | Treasurite | Ag7Pb6Bi15S32 |
| 2.JB.40c | Ourayite | Ag3Pb4Bi5S13 |
| 2.JB.40a | Uchucchacuaite | AgMnPb3Sb5S12 |
| 2.JB.40a | Xilingolite | Pb3Bi2S6 |
| 2.JB.40a | Gustavite | AgPbBi3S6 |
| 2.JB.55 | Gratonite | Pb9As4S15 |
| 2.JB.60 | Marrucciite | Hg3Pb16Sb18S46 |
| 2.JB.65 | Vurroite | Pb20Sn2(Bi,As)22S54Cl6 |
| 2.JB.65 | Tazieffite | Pb20Cd2(As,Bi)22S50Cl10 |
| 2.JB.70 | Daliranite | PbHgAs2S5 |
Other Information
Health Risks:
No information on health risks for this material has been entered into the database. You should always treat mineral specimens with care.
Internet Links for Schirmerite
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References for Schirmerite
Reference List:
Moëlo, Yves, Makovicky, Emil, Mozgova, Nadejda N., Jambor, John L., Cook, Nigel, Pring, Allan, Paar, Werner, Nickel, Ernest H., Graeser, Stephan, Karup-Møller, Sven, Balic-unic, Tonči, Mumme, William G., Vurro, Filippo, Topa, Dan (2008) Sulfosalt systematics: a review. Report of the sulfosalt sub-committee of the IMA Commission on Ore Mineralogy. European Journal of Mineralogy, 20 (1) 7-62 doi:10.1127/0935-1221/2008/0020-1778
Localities for Schirmerite
Showing 49 localities.
Locality List
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- This locality has estimated coordinates.
ⓘ - Click for references and further information on this occurrence.
? - Indicates mineral may be doubtful at this locality.
- Good crystals or important locality for species.
- World class for species or very significant.
(TL) - Type Locality for a valid mineral species.
(FRL) - First Recorded Locality for everything else (eg varieties).
All localities listed without proper references should be considered as questionable.
Argentina | |
| Silver Standard Resources Inc |
| Paar et al. (2005, January) +1 other reference |
Brazil | |
| Silva (2017) |
Bulgaria | |
| Tsonev et al. (Eds.) |
| Terziev (1966) |
| Cook et al. (2002) |
Canada | |
| Tyson (1989) |
| B. J. Kieller (1965) | |
China | |
| Wenfeng Zhu et al. (2009) |
| Yingchen Ren (1999) |
| Hongyuan Xia et al. (1991) +1 other reference |
| Weining Zhou (1994) |
| Weining Zhou (1994) |
| Weining Zhou (1994) |
| Anthony |
| Xiang-Ping et al. (2001) |
| Xia Ai and Zengyi Chen (1993) |
| Yingchen Ren (1998) +2 other references |
| Weining Zhou (1994) |
Czech Republic | |
| Pažout (2017) |
| Pažout (2025) |
| Krátký et al. (2026) |
Morocco | |
| Ilmen et al. (2016) +1 other reference |
Poland | |
| Mochnacka et al. (2000) +1 other reference |
Romania | |
| Cook +1 other reference |
| Cook (1997) +1 other reference |
Russia | |
| Damdinov et al. (2007) |
| Gvozdev (2009) |
| Gamyanin et al. (2015) |
| Redin et al. (2015) +1 other reference |
Serbia | |
| Slobodan A. Radosavljević et al. (2013) +1 other reference | |
| Slobodan A. Radosavljević et al. (2016) | |
| Mineco Limited |
Slovakia | |
| Chovan M. et al. (2021) |
| Pršek J. (Kandid. Diz.práca) |
| Pršek et al. (2001) |
South Korea | |
| Shin et al. (2004) |
Tajikistan | |
| Anthony et al. (1990) |
UK | |
| Pattrick (1979) +3 other references |
Ukraine | |
| Biruk et al. (2012) |
USA | |
| Stolburg (1984) |
| Eckel et al. (1997) |
| Eckel et al. (1997) |
| Dana 7:I:393. |
| Eckel et al. (1997) |
| Foord et al. (1989) +1 other reference |
| Eckel et al. (1997) | |
| USGS Bull 2009 |
Uzbekistan | |
| Kovalenker et al. (1997) |



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