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April 23

broken links

List of spacecraft in the Culture series

is deleted, breaking links here:

list of links

• https://github.com/ceejbot/gsv-culture-ships
• https://github.com/ceejbot/culture-ships
• https://github.com/ceejbot/vfp-culture-ships
• https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13004211
• https://trevor-hopkins.com/banks/culture-resources.html
• https://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2795;area=showposts
• https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/something-named-in-honor-of-iain-m-banks.52391/
• https://github.com/learning-layers/achso_ios
• https://forum.quartertothree.com/t/let-us-make-sure-we-never-forget-the-name-enterprise/70903?page=2
• https://www.reddit.com/r/TheCulture/
• https://community.glowforge.com/t/spare-glowforge-names/13696
• https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/156886-how-do-you-name-your-craft/page/2/#comment-2985527
• https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4544
• https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36646.40
• https://gist.github.com/liangsteve/065a79b76da1ebdb12b1ff084661dc6e
• https://steamcommunity.com/app/392160/discussions/0/2269194717045600484/?l=portuguese&ctp=2
• https://freethoughtblogs.com/stderr/2017/12/21/ship-names/

Wikitardotron (talk) 02:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The whole page was moved from Wikipedia to the following wiki, and it has undergone updates since the move:

https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_spacecraft

So you should ideally adjust links to point to the new home above.

As for links breaking, and the sheer number of places that had that as a hardcoded link to Wikipedia... that's a shame. I advise cursing link rot and then trying to just fix all of them if you care enough, because the information has not been deleted, merely moved. Fluoborate (talk) 04:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Fluoborate has kindly given you a solution. But please note that this question has nothing to do with Wikipedia, except to note that somebody was linking to a Wikipedia article which has since been deleted. What use some other website makes of Wikipedia is not Wikipedia's responsibility ColinFine (talk) 10:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Why doesn't my ref/note work as a clickable link?

I just added "Note 1" to this page:

Asenapine

Following the "ref"/"note" markup example as closely as I could, and it is only a clickable link in one direction, in both Safari and Chrome. Clicking "Note 1" where it occurs in the body (Adverse Events) does not work, although it appears blue. Clicking the "1" in the notes section at the bottom does indeed work, it provides a backlink to the body.

What have I done wrong? Very similar markup works on another page I recently annotated.

Thank you, Fluoborate (talk) 04:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Fixed I've sorted it out for you. The easiest way to deal with footnotes is to use the {{efn}} mechanism. You place the whole footnoted (including references) inline:"* Dyspepsia, stomach discomfort, and/or vomiting{{efn|The Phase III trials ... subjects.<ref name=DM />}}" then at the bottom in the "Notes" section add {{notelist}}. The system then does all the hard work of linking for you. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:33, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Problem going live

Hey guys,

i created my first page like 5 months ago and it still isn't live! can you guide me so my page can go live? Mistakefinder77 (talk) 08:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Presumably you mean the sandbox material discussed on your own User talk page (here) by DoubleGrazing? If not, what page/Draft do you mean? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.134.31 (talk) 10:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Publishing of new article

I Need help in publishing my new article titled Karthikeya. Can anyone help me with the submitting for review Geoviswakarma (talk) 09:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Geoviswakarma Assuming you have an on-WP draft somewhere, put this at the top of it: {{subst:submit}}

Hope this helps. If you haven't written the article yet, start with WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi, the archiving on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Edit requests was originally broken due to an erroneous configuration that caused the bot to start archiving at archive 6. I've reset the counter back to 1 and moved the archive, but now Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Edit requests/Archive 6 is a redirect to the first archive from the page move. Will this cause trouble when the number of archives eventually reaches 6, or will the bot just overwrite the redirect? The redirect isn't actually necessary, since no pages link to the archive; see: Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Edit_requests/Archive_6. Liu1126 (talk) 11:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Liu1126:, I've deleted the redirect. The bot will be able to recreat it when the time comes. Mjroots (talk) 13:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Liu1126 (talk) 13:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Assistance Needed: Wikipedia Page Update Query

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk,

My name is Nina, and I'm reaching out for guidance regarding updating the Wikipedia page for Envac. I work as a digital marketer at Envac, and I recently attempted to update the page using information from our company website. However, I received an email stating that all my changes were removed due to copyright concerns.

Could you please advise me on the correct procedure for updating the page? Do I need to provide any documentation as an Envac employee to verify the information? Your assistance in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your help.

Best regards, Nina (NINASALEHI2024) NINASALEHI2024 (talk) 12:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The first problem here is WP:BOSS, as you should not edit an article if you are involved with it in some way. The other problem is that the edits at Envac Automated Waste Collection System were deleted because they appear to have copypasted copyrighted material into the article, which is also one of the things not to do in a Wikipedia article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@NINASALEHI2024: In addition, you must disclose your paid relationship with Envac as described in the aforementioned link. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thank you so much for your response, so what should I do now whit this issu?I am an employee of Envac, and what should I do to access the edit? NINASALEHI2024 (talk) 13:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@NINASALEHI2024, you need to declare per the instructions at WP:PAID. Then, if you wish to create an article, you need to submit a draft through Articles for Creation. Instructions are at Help:YFA. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:40, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you sincerely for your guidance. Should any questions arise as I proceed, I'll reach out to you. Your ongoing support is greatly appreciated. NINASALEHI2024 (talk) 13:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The other thing to realise, Nina, is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

If the material you added was from the company's website, it is likely that very little of it would be appropriate for a Wikipedia article even without the question of copyright. ColinFine (talk) 15:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@NINASALEHI2024: You may find our FAQ for article subjects useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Envac Automated Waste Collection System (now a rediect)

@Spiderone

Made required changes and submitted the article month ago. Still it showing waiting for review, I need update Bvedavyas2024 (talk) 12:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

As it says at the top of your draft, @Bvedavyas2024, Review waiting, please be patient. Reviewers are volunteers and they have a lot of submissions to work through. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, if you have some kind of personal or professional connection to this person, please read and follow WP:COI. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 13:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Buragadda Vedavyas will be declined again as there are whole sections that are completely unreferenced. Everything in the article must be supported by reliable sources. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Please guide me where i am stuck in article or if possible live help needed Bvedavyas2024 (talk) 13:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bvedavyas2024, the section Early life and education has no references - where did you get this information? Two of the sections under Political Career have no references, and many parts of the other sections have no references attached. Many of the items in Political Positions Held are missing references. And language such as this is inappropriate for an encyclopedia: Renowned for his transformative leadership in Krishna District, Vedavyas unwavering commitment to his constituents and notable achievements define him as a true statesman and inspirational figure. He is fondly known as Ajathashatru of Andhra Politics.

Did you take all of the photographs used in the article?

You're welcome to try WP:IRC or WP:DISCORD if you want to ask for real-time help. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Dan Schneider, who is Jewish

I googled “Sam and Cat” a Nickelodeon kids show, and in the Wikipedia entry on the initial google search it includes the reference to the producer Dan Schneider “who is Jewish”. When I went to the Wikipedia page itself it is not on there. 2600:1700:6222:AF90:1846:9B4C:E595:8DD9 (talk) 14:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Google often mistakenly says (or implies) that things exist on Wikipedia which don't actually appear in the articles. There's nothing to be done about it on this end; you'll need to take it up with Google. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 14:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

That can happen if the article is edited after Google takes its snippet. “who is Jewish” was added at 03:47, 21 April 2024 and then reverted at 04:39, 21 April 2024. TSventon (talk) 14:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It's not Google's fault. It was in the article for 52 minutes Sunday. Googlebot apparently visited the page there and cached the content. It will disappear from Google results next time their bot visits. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I was in a "no recording" session at Wikiconference North America in 2019 where we got to discuss such matters directly with people from Google, and I mentioned this issue, in the context of material that is removed or even revision deleted or supressed, yet is preserved by their scraper bots. They seemed to understand the concern but I didn't get the impression they had an easy answer. I can see how their desire to keep their snippets as up-to-date as possible is somewhat at odds with Wikipedia's desire to keep vandalism from being spread outside of WP. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Google has a system where you can be registered as owner of a website (after providing evidence) and submit a limited number of pages for fast indexing or reindexing. I have not heard of this system being used by Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

because it doesn't really scale well to our operation :) —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 20:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I cannot remove a hidden category

Hello! I decided to start de-orphaning some articles, but after I did that process, I cannot find the category of orphaned article to remove when I select edit source. I can see it when normally reading the article, but not when editing. Here is the article: Abdul Aziz bin Laboun PolarClimates (talk) 16:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes, pages are not placed in categories manually by Wikipedia editors, but by means of templates, which can be used to place identical information (including category membership information) on many different pages at once. When the information on such a template is edited, the pages containing that template are updated, but not necessarily updated immediately. This means that pages might not always appear in the most current categories. Theroadislong (talk) 16:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

PolarClimates in this case you need to remove the orphan template {{Orphan|date=June 2021}}. See Wikipedia:Orphan. TSventon (talk) 18:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I did not know that templates created categories PolarClimates (talk) 14:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

See Template:Disambiguation#Parameters. It lists lots and lots of possible categories, geo, given name, surname, ship, school, etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikilink to wikipedia search string

How do I format a wikilink to a wikipedia search string, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?fulltext=1&search=insource%3A%22dateglows.com%22&title=Special%3ASearch&ns0=1? I can do it as an external url, but am looking for the wikilink-formatted equivalent. (This is for use in user-space.) Schazjmd (talk) 17:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Have a look in Help:Link#Links containing ampersands. ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @ColinFine, but I didn't express my question clearly. I can create a wikilink to Special:Search. What I'm wondering is if there is a way to include a specific search string in a Special:Search wikilink. (The ampersands in the url are just browser artifacts.) Schazjmd (talk) 18:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

You can put your search part after a backslash after the name Special:Search.

In your case the search part is insource:"dateglows.com" so you should use Special:Search/insource:"dateglows.com" EternalNub (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

That is what I couldn't figure out, thanks @EternalNub! Schazjmd