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September 3

Articles about legal self-representation

I was trying to look up the topic of representing oneself in court and found two articles, one devoted to the legal situation in the USA, the other devoted to the UK. What can be done to give coverage to other countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.? Muzilon (talk) 01:19, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@Muzilon: Our articles are written by volunteers who are interested in the subject, such as yourself. Please see WP:YFA on how to proceed. -Arch dude (talk)

I'm afraid I'm in no position to write such an article myself, so I've added it to the Requested Articles page. Muzilon (talk) 09:36, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Capital punishment in Ethiopia

Please moved the Draft:Capital punishment in Ethiopia to Capital punishment in Ethiopia. Technically unable to move due to redirect. The Supermind (talk) 11:16, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

The Supermind, you can use Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. TSventon (talk) 11:57, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@TSventon: I guess that can be happened there! I do not prefer request moves because the draft, posted yesterday, is still there with unknown reason. I've added additional citations as admin recommend me in notice and that's disappointing why things changed to controversial then. The Supermind (talk) 05:32, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@The Supermind And Teahouse hosts... Was this draft submitted to AfC? Should it be? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:47, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

No, I want review of any single administrator rather than pending for review for months. The Supermind (talk) 06:56, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

User:The Supermind , pending review is the optimal fate for drafts tagged for problems. It gives the creator time to improve the draft prior to a second review.--Quisqualis (talk) 01:50, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

I would agree that the current article is not fit for mainspace yet. It has many English mistakes, but more importantly it is not neutral.

For instance: Ethiopia retains the death penalty and has not ratified the Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCR). Ethiopia fails to uphold obligation under ICCR and has failed to limited death penalty. - surely a country cannot break a treaty that they have not ratified? (The references for the second sentence are human rights organizations, who are not neutral observers as to whether Ethiopia has or not satisfied its treaty obligations.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:31, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan, @The Supermind You are right, Tigraan, about the language. For example, "The most known capital punishment was occurred in 2007" is not good English. And, as you said, many other examples. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Yeah, you're right I've removed the POV pushing such as the most known. However, I've cited most contents about the ICCR in . If there is controversy about Ethiopia's ratification and obligation of the treaty, go ahead and review the source. The Supermind (talk) 07:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Jessica Davis Ba

on your page on Jessica Davis Ba, I wish you'd add that she is a graduate of Georgetown Day School. 216.15.53.253 (talk) 15:03, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source with that information, please offer it on the article talk page, Talk:Jessica Davis Ba. 331dot (talk) 15:11, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Request to update Title page name for proper identification

Good day, I had attempted to add the middle initial "J" to the title page for Judge Michael Scionti. His middle initial is stated in the body of the wikipedia page, however, in order to properly identify him in a web search, it is important to have his middle initial referenced in the title page. This will help readers to decipher between Judge Michael Scionti and the numerous other Michael Scionti's that populate in a search. Due to this issue, there are numerous photos of other people sharing the same common name "Michael Scionti" and we plan to upload a photo to his page in the near future as well. Could someone please assist with this edit or direct me on what steps to make, because it appears that my edits from last night were reverted back. This name information is verifiable with a presently cited source on his Wikipedia page and additionally on the florida Judicial Directory website- Michael J. Scionti (fljud13.org) Thank you kindlyEleaseNat (talk) 17:15, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

EleaseNat Search results are not our main concern here. Articles are titled based on what the topic is called in independent reliable sources, see WP:COMMONNAME. For example, it is Bill Clinton, not William Jefferson Clinton(which is a redirect). We don't necessarily use official or legal names. That said, if using his middle initial is common, please visit Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 17:20, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I appreciate the information.EleaseNat (talk) 17:26, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

@EleaseNat: You mentioned "we plan to upload a photo to his page". Who is "we"? GoingBatty (talk) 18:54, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

I noticed that as well... EleaseNat it is against Wikipedia policy - though I cannot find it at the moment, maybe some other help-deskers know the link? - to have a group account, multiple people cannot share a single account. If more than one person is using your account everyone needs to get their own single account. Shearonink (talk) 20:39, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

The policy is described at WP:NOSHARING. CodeTalker (talk) 01:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

@EleaseNat Make sure that the photo has the appropriate copyright status. Most photos that you can download from the 'net are not free of copyright. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 06:50, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Citation-type thing

Greetings, keepers of the eternal flame!

I came across a problem with a {{cite journal}} in a ref, discussed at Talk:John Cyril Porte#Cite journal error. Assuming that the document in question has been published for WP's purposes, and meets other requirements as discussed in the thread, what might be the best template to cite this type of unique, one-off typescript? Cheers, MinorProphet (talk) 18:07, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Does {{cite report}} work?

It seems to me that though it may be published, it cannot be regarded as reliably published, and should be treated as a WP:SPS. ColinFine (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Assuming that the Chilton archive at Imperial War Museums really holds the typescript (this search result suggests that it does), consider:

{{cite archive |last=Chilton |first=Edward |author-link=Edward Chilton |item=John Cyril Porte (1884–1919) Naval Officer, Pilot and aircraft designer extraordinary |type=Typescript |item-id=Documents.6892 |collection=Private Papers of Air Marshal Sir Edward Chilton KBE CB FRIN |collection-url=https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1030006743 |institution=Imperial War Museums}}

Chilton, Edward. "John Cyril Porte (1884–1919) Naval Officer, Pilot and aircraft designer extraordinary" [Typescript]. Private Papers of Air Marshal Sir Edward Chilton KBE CB FRIN, ID: Documents.6892. Imperial War Museums.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:44, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for your swift and comprehensive replies. I don't have time tonight, but tomoz I shall investigate whether Chilton might qualify as an SME. I imagine a case might be made for including him, even as as a {{bsn}}. If so - and so I hope - the {{cite archive}} looks ideal. Thanks both for your help, MinorProphet (talk) 21:08, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Mistake on the Jim Morrison article

There must be a mistake there, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Bonhommerichard.jpg that cant be Jim Morrison in 1964 if in 1966 The Doors released their first album unless Jim turned from kid to adult within 2 years. Maybe the writer intended 1954? 2.199.195.125 (talk) 19:47, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

According to the biography of Jim Morrison's father George Stephen Morrison, he took command of the Bonhomme Richard in 1963. That photo is taken from a weird angle, but it could be a 20 year old. Cullen328 (talk) 20:00, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

See also the 1963 mugshot of Jim Morrison. He looks somewhat baby-faced there. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:06, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the side view of that mug shot is very similar to the photo with his father. Cullen328 (talk) 20:09, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Access to Wikipedia by old iMac equipment (seems to be blocked) and there possibly is a remedy that Wikipedia can do

I cannot figure out a bypass on my old iMac, but is it possible that the website can be updated with a fix? 74.50.237.235 (talk) 20:10, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia runs on MediaWiki software. You may wish to ask this question at the MediaWiki Support Desk. It might help to tell them what version of Safari (or other browser) you are using. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 20:24, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

This is almost certainly being caused by a SSL certificate issue, relating to the age of your iMac. As for what you can do, if your iMac is PowerPC based (iMac G3, iMac G4, or iMac G5), you could attempt to use TenFourFox, however as that browser has been unsupported since March 2021 it is likely that if it does work now, it will stop working in the near future. There is a fork of TenFourFox called InterWebPPC that appears to still be getting updates, but I do not know if it is safe to use or reliable.

If your iMac is Intel based, then your choices are limited based on whatever the latest version of macOS your machine can run. If your machine can run macOS version 10.12 or newer, it should still be supported by the latest version of Firefox and Google Chrome. If your machine can only run macOS versions 10.9-10.11, then unfortunately you're probably out of luck, as most browser manufacturers have stopped supporting those releases. You could try to use Firefox 78.15.0esr, however as it hasn't been updated since October 2021, if Wikipedia does work it may stop working in the near future. With macOS versions prior to 10.12 you may also have certificate issues, as older root certificates expire and cannot easily be replaced. Sideswipe9th (talk)