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December 16

Vandalism help request from Faaafv

I have noticed some vandalism at []. Someone is harassing one of the person (boba/bobawitch) in that article by doxxing her — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faaafv (talk • contribs) 01:31, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello Faaafv. I am having a little trouble understanding your concern, specifically at where and to whom the doxing is occurring. If the doxxing is directed toward an editor, then you may find information about the matter at wp:out. You might also read about such matters at wp:own or the larger article wp:HA. If there is off wiki doxing that does not regard an editor--but rather regards one who is mentioned in an article--then I am not certain that Wikipedia can address the matter. I appreciate your concern over what is such an unpleasant practice. Most kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 06:31, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Userspace page in category

I have a to-do page, User:Postleft/pages, which for some reason is in Category:Anarchism stubs. I really don’t know why, and am about to go to bed, so if someone could enlighten me when I wake up it would be much appreciated. I hope this is the right venue for this question. :-) Thank you, and cheers, postleft on mobile! 03:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Postleftmobile: If you want to make a regular wikilink to a category, you need to add a colon in the beginning of the link like this: [[:Category:Anarchism stubs]]. Without the colon, it adds the page to the category instead. bibliomaniac15 03:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Ahaha! Thank you very much! postleft on mobile! 14:58, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Attributions in image captions

Two image captions in Gordon Parks include a credit of the copyright holder, with an external link. I deleted these credits following the guideline at MOS:CREDITS. NOLA Bee has reverted my deletions, with the edit summary "We are working closely with the DC Wiki rep and we have received permission to include the credit line for our images. We have also filed permissions paperwork with Wiki for David Finn images." User:NOLA Bee indicates that they are an employee of the National Gallery of Art in Washington DC. It is unclear what permission has been given, and whether this should override editorial judgement and the manual of style. What is the best venue to clarify or discuss this? Verbcatcher (talk) 04:01, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I'd be very interested to know who gave them "permission to include the credit line for our images" as that isn't a thing. I'd suggest WP:COIN might be a place to pursue this further. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:04, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Apparently they've been at this for quite some time, across a number of articles. I agree that it's entirely inappropriate; I'm doing some clean up. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@NOLA Bee: I haven't heard of a "DC Wiki rep". Who is it and could they have been referring to the "Captions" field at the file page like commons:File:Gordon Parks next to piano by David Finn.jpg? Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Captions#Credits says: "Unless relevant to the subject, do not credit the image author or copyright holder in the article." PrimeHunter (talk) 05:01, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

My guess is that it's a Wikipedian-in-Residence or another editor serving primarily as an intermediary between GLAMs and the community. This doesn't sound like anything overly sinister, considering a museum is involved here; we as a community do outreach to them regularly. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, it appears to be Ariel Cetrone (WMDC). Pinging them in case they're unaware of this discussion. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 17:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Chiming in here to clear some of this up. The external links in the captions were the result of a misunderstanding. In short, the confusion came from conversations about what should be included when uploading images to Commons. Ultimately, a GLAM partner was just trying to be more transparent. I think this is important to remember, especially when dealing with an institution that has the potential to add so much to the encyclopedia. While external linking in captions was not appropriate, it's important to remember that GLAM editors with disclosed affiliations are able to link to their material in some cases (See: COI:GLAM). This, of course, was not one of them.-Ariel Cetrone (WMDC) (talk) 19:19, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Beeblebrox: thank you for the advice, but I feel that the Conflict of interest noticeboard would be too heavy-handed at this stage. I will assume good faith, and that this was the result of a misunderstanding. I am grateful to the NGA for releasing images with free licenses and I do not want to unnecessarily antagonize its staff. Verbcatcher (talk) 05:32, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

The images are very nice, but an editor with a declared conflict of interest going around adding in-line hyperlinks to their institution everywhere is... concerning. Anyway, I've cleaned up the most egregious examples; I didn't bother with the ones actually enclosed in ref tags, though they probably aren't legit either. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 05:43, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I looked at one, Gordon Parks next to piano by David Finn. The legitimacy of its upload to or availability from Commons doesn't seem to have been questioned since 3 December. Under "Licensing", we read "Attribution: ©David Finn Archive, Department of Image Collections, National Gallery of Art Library, Washington, DC". This surprises me too; but if you bring the matter up, I think you shouldn't do so here but should instead do so at Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 05:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Please see c:Commons:Deletion requests/Photographs from the David Finn Archive, where I nominated several images from the same source for deletion. This resulted in two OTRS tickets that confirmed the licenses. I don't know whether the file you have linked comes within the scope of these tickets, but it is reasonable to assume that its license is valid. Verbcatcher (talk) 06:07, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Verbcatcher, I'd (inexpertly) tend to make the same inference. As an example of the files you listed, commons:File:Admiral David Glasgow Farragut by Augustus Saint-Gaudens.jpg also announces "Attribution: ©David Finn Archive, Department of Image Collections, National Gallery of Art Library, Washington, DC". But it says nothing about any requirement for such a textual attribution when the file is used, or about the inadequacy of the normal provision for tracing an image back to its file on Commons (or elsewhere within the Wikimedia galaxy), where the attribution can be read. c:Commons:Deletion requests/Photographs from the David Finn Archive ended with "Kept", not something like "Kept, but with the requirement that [blah blah]". -- Hoary (talk) 08:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, in case you're confused by the ©: c:COM:NOTCOPYVIO. Regarding attribution, we must provide that "in any reasonable manner based on the medium" for Creative Commons 4.0 licensed works. As far as I know, seeing the author when clicking the image (which either opens it in the Media Viewer or goes to the file page) has always been considered reasonable. Legal never kicked up a fuss about that either afaik. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I would like to add that my personal statement clearly states that I, NOLA Bee, am part of the GLAM community and my contributions are for educational purposes. The intention was to properly credit the photographs. Sincerely, User:NOLA Bee

asking for donations

I HAVE donated to Wiki in the past, and I may do so again in future, but I do not appreciate the big begging spiel every time I open another page of it lately! Especially when it starts with something like 'Hi reader, this is only the second time we've interrupted you...' - as if I've forgotten all the other times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.12.208.1 (talk) 06:09, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

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Html table question

Hi all—how do I keep ! scope=col width="18%" for a row and add colspan="2"? (What would the literal format be of all three things in one line, I mean). Please ping me! Best and thanks in advance to any who can offer assistance. – Aza24 (talk) 07:19, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Content Deleted From the page Sound Symbolism

Hello, My Content " Pramod Kumar Agrawal (2020)[9] suggests a natural correlation between phonemes and psychological feelings. He presents a model in detail that explains this correlation. With several examples, he suggests that these psychological feelings have added a purposeful impact while words of different languages were getting created."

above was previously mentioned in the Modern phonosemantics topic of sound symbolism

On the 17th of Aug, it was edited and no longer found on the page. What will be the reason for this??Pramod1952 (talk) 07:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

It was not removed on 17 Aug, as the only edit made that day was by a bot that cleans up/fixes citations. It was actually removed 21 Nov, with no reason given (though given all the content removed I can assume it was because the reverter missed that the content was cited, as almost all the other content removed in that edit lacked citations). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 07:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I delete saved searches from Wikipedia?

I have a saved search term that always pops up below the search bar when I'm about to type something into the site's engine. It's... something rather private, and I don't want people to see it if they ever use Wikipedia on one of my devices. I've cleared my Google account's cookies, browsing history, and cached data, yet the problem persists. How can I delete this search term? Kurtis