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January 11

English Version of an article

Hi Team,

I am a big fan of the band Club des Belugas but I can only seem the find the German article de:Club des Belugas.

I cannot seem to find the English version. Is it me or is that it actually doesn't exist? I see that in this article the band is mentioned but there's no link to the English article Saint-Germain-des-Prés Café.

Also, if the article does not indeed exist in English I will go ahead and write it. To do so, can we just "clone" the German version onto English or we have to write it from scratch?

Thanks, RogerPubill (talk) 06:12, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

@RogerPubil: You can translate the German version into English, you can also write it completely anew. You should use Wikipedia:Article wizard to start the new article. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:29, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Advice on translation is at WP:Translation. Note that the German article has no citations, so wouldn't be acceptable here at enwiki. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:34, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Page needing discussion by experienced editors and admins

The page Apex (gang) is a contentious subject and is always going to be liable to attract editors pushing differing views. Someone has, I believe, just re-added a lot of old material that was removed a while ago. In any case it has a much longer entry than it warrants in Wikipedia, given the differing opinions cited by police as to whether it qualifies as a "gang" and whether it actually existed as a coherent whole or was just named thus after a loosely-connected group of young offenders connected on social media and only existed for a brief moment in time in 2016. It's been a bone of contention and attracted a lot of attention on tabloid media and "shock jock" radio show hosts, and used as a recruitment tool for far-right extremists, amongst other things. At this point I am just asking for some input as to how to go about admins keeping on top of changes, and trying to re-establish a NPOV and also stop it growing out of proportion to its notability, etc. (This discussion also belongs on the Talk page there, I realise, but I would like to attract a few experienced editors to it first!) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:27, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello again Laterthanyouthink. Knowing nothing of Australian gangs (or absence thereof) I nevertheless thought your question merited some acknowledgement before the day is quite over. The banner on the article's talk page links to a couple of WikiProjects which may attract the attention of editors with insight into the issue. It also carries a link to the National Library of Australia which may be willing to help with verifying and updating citations. You mention admins, but admins don't act as arbiters in content disputes; they are ordinary mortals with a few extra tools – mainly block, delete, protect or revdel. If page protection seems called for, requests go to this page. Other specifically administrative matters can be raised on the administrators' noticeboard. But I'd start by raising your concerns on the talk page and notify ("ping") the editors whose edits you have concerns about. Hope some of this helps: Bhunacat10 (talk), 23:32, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello : Bhunacat10 and thanks for your guidance, much appreciated. I will read and learn from those pages you've directed me to, and also review the Apex article and work out the best approach for this one. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:02, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text

The named reference Santosh was invoked but never defined — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.197.240.127 (talk) 10:56, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

To which article are you referring? Your contribution log shows no previous edits from that IP address. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:59, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

A search on "The named reference Santosh" shows Mr Santosh Kumar. It has much bigger problems. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:03, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Not anymore. --CiaPan (talk) 12:09, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Creation

How to make a official artist page on Wikipedia?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorrra (talk • contribs) 16:34, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Your user page is there for you to write a little about yourself and how you hope to contribute to Wikipedia. It should not be used for an article, but you can work on an article in your sandbox. Wikipedia does not have "official pages", but an article on an artist can be published if the artist has been written about in independent WP:Reliable sources. The article should summarise what these sources say. There is more advice at WP:Your first article and Wikipedia:Notability (people). Dbfirs 17:00, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Dorra. As Dbfirs says, there is no such thing as "an official page" for somebody - in fact there is no such thing as "a page for somebody" (though people do say that loosely sometimes). What we have is articles about people (and other subjects). If we have an article about an artist, it does not belong to that artist, the artist and their associates are discouraged from editing it directly, and it is a consensus of editors who decide what should go in the article, not the artist. --ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Mass move (or edit, rather) pages (or templates, in this case) to a new subcategory?

Hey all, I usually find answers to my MOS, editing, or guideline-type questions using various Google booleans. I couldn't really find a fitting answer this time, so I figured I'd ask. In this case, take {{1866 shipwrecks}}, which together with all the other shipwreck templates—ranging from 1850 to the present—can be found in Category:Ship navigational boxes, taking up space and drowning (no pun) out the other ship navboxes.

I get that it technically isn't the wrong category for them to be in, but for the sake of categorization itself, perhaps it would be better to move these into a subcategory of their, e.g. [[Category:Shipwreck navigational boxes]] (not yet created). The way I see it, doing this manually would be quite a task, since the templates would need to be edited to swap cat:Ship navboxes for cat:Shipwreck navboxes. Quite a daunting task even with HotCat. (Or am I missing something?)

Is there a way to speed up this process using a script? Or can anyone point me to where I can put in a request to have a bot do this? I considered WP:CFD and WP:MOVE, but neither is really the right place to ask, since only one new category will have to be created (this I can do myself) and also because none of the templates actually need to be renamed. I have a feeling I'm not using the correct search terms and that I'm overlooking something here. I look forward to your answers. Thank you. Jay D. Easy (talk) 17:22, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Jay D. Easy. Have you looked at AWB? I've never used it, so I may be wrong, but from the little I've seen, that is the sort of task it can help with. --ColinFine (talk) 17:44, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Jay D. Easy This would be pretty easy with AWB. Pull in the templates and alter the cat...