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I have been vandalized.

My plot summary work on the episode list of "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet" has been vandalized.

List of The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet episodes#Season 1 (1952–53)

I have worked on this for a year and a half. I know the page was long, but there are 14 seasons. People expect more than two lines for a plot summary. I could show you countless examples. This is for history. Entercontainment (talk) 10:54, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

@Entercontainment Please review WP:ARTICLESIZE, MOS:TVPLOT and WP:DETAIL. Your version of this article was apparently the largest article on Wikipedia, which is certainly disproportionate to the significance of this show. If it's really appropriate you might look at WP:SIZESPLITting some or all of the seasons into their own articles so that you can include the full plot descriptions there. Athanelar (talk) 11:06, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

It's a content dispute, not vandalism. Special:Longpages confirms there is currently no larger article than 700,082 bytes. Some editors examine that page and you made a target. Splitting per season is the normal practice for long-running shows with detailed plot summaries. At User talk:Entercontainment#Additions to episode lists you asked: "How are my summaries any different than these? Hacks season 1". The answer is in the question: "season 1". Your summaries were longer than most but not extraordinary when I look at some well-known shows in Category:2021 American television seasons. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Is there someone who could do the splitting for me? I don't think I could do it right. Please help. Entercontainment (talk) 11:36, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

You would anyway need to read up on the relevant processes and make sure it's actually an appropriate split. It's not a simple process that somebody else can do quickly for you. Please read WP:SIZESPLIT and WP:PROSPLIT if you want to look into that. Athanelar (talk) 12:14, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Please, please help. I spent a year and a half on that show. Entercontainment (talk) 20:21, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Well the good thing is it won't take that long to learn how to split. Athanelar (talk) 20:32, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Could someone please set up separate season pages similar to these?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilligan's_Island_season_1

There wouldn't have to be any Production, cast info. Just my plot summaries.

Please, I worked a year and a half on this. Entercontainment (talk) 14:46, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

@Entercontainment Like I said to you before, if you want it done you're going to have to learn to do it. If you don't want to go to the effort to do so, why would another editor want to do so for you? Athanelar (talk) 15:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Please, there must be people that can do this in their sleep. Entercontainment (talk) 15:26, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Why are you so resistant to doing it yourself? Athanelar (talk) 15:27, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

How about two pages with seven seasons each? Entercontainment (talk) 20:25, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

You'd have to demonstrate that there's good reason to have articles for those specific groupings of seasons. It's very unorthodox. Athanelar (talk) 20:57, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Somebody already made Draft:The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet season 1. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:22, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

If it passes, I could copy the code and put up the other pages. Entercontainment (talk) 21:44, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

It is exactly the way I envisioned the page. It hasn't been submitted yet. Should we do it? Entercontainment (talk) 22:25, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

If it is something that you want done, then you should do it. It is not the responsibility of other editors to do this for you.

Splitting it off into seasons is a good idea--so go ahead and do it. Amber (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Help verifying newspaper clippings about James Van Patten

I am James Van Patten, the subject of the article being discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Van Patten (2nd nomination). I have disclosed my conflict of interest there. Ansgar Slopsbane suggested I ask here about making newspaper and magazine clippings available for verification.

I have clear photographs of these complete articles:

• Paul Hodgins, “Familiarity Breeds Success,” The Orange County Register, July 10, 2003, Show section, pages 4–5.

• Michelle Bruell, “A Family Affair: Both On and Off the Court,” Los Angeles Tennis magazine, April 1996, Vol. 3, No. 2, pages 13 and 35.

What is the appropriate way to let an editor inspect these copyrighted articles for source verification? Is there a suitable private method, or another recommended process that does not require uploading the full articles publicly?

Thank you for your guidance. JamesVP1956 (talk) 05:36, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

JamesVP1956, if you have a particular editor in mind, you could go to that editor's "user page" or "user talk page", click on the link "Email this user", and, in email sent via Wikipedia, offer to send PDFs or JPEGs or whatever of the article. The addressee will perhaps send you a reply saying "Go ahead" or words to that effect. Such a reply, if it comes, won't come via Wikipedia, and you can reply to it in the same way that you normally reply to mail, and can attach one or more files. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 11:14, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

@JamesVP1956 I think you asked this more than once on this page.

If you properly cite your sources, you do not need to upload them. Please click on and read WP:REFB. David10244 (talk) 03:19, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

LLM edit check

Does the LLM edit check prompt appear whenever you paste anything? Sometimes I do my writing, or create a page, in Microsoft Word before pasting it into Wikipedia. I've noticed that I've been getting the LLM prompt, so I just wanted to clarify whether it appears whenever anything is pasted in general. Thanks. ItsShandog (talk) 11:48, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Hi @ItsShandog. Yep! It's called Mw:Edit_check/Paste_Check and was recently turned on. qcne (talk) 11:54, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

@Qcne. mw:Edit check/Paste Check and mw:Edit check/LLM Paste Check are different, and I think Shandog was referring to the latter.

@ItsShandog As for LLM paste check, the documentation linked above said that it triggers on sufficiently large edits which contain "metadata" from various chatbots. Now, I have heard people mention that the spellcheck and grammar correction functions in Microsoft Word are apparently LLMs under the hood these days, so if you've been using Word's correction features while writing it is possible that there's some metadata from Copilot being left on your text which is triggering the detection. Athanelar (talk) 12:15, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

That makes sense, thank you for the explanation. I would use the spelling correction on Microsoft Word, for instance if I'm typing quite fast and there are a few mistakes. If that's what you mean, is that still considered okay to do? ItsShandog (talk) 13:35, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

It's totally fine as far as WP:NOLLM is concerned, but that's probably what's leaving behind the AI "fingerprint" which is tripping the paste check. Athanelar (talk) 13:40, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

No problem, I just wanted to be sure because I couldn't understand why it was prompting AI lol. Thanks for taking the time to explain, much appreciated. ItsShandog (talk) 13:45, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

You could check whether the problem is metadata by pasting your text from MS Word into a simple text editor like Notepad (which will strip out any metadata) and then copy/paste onwards into Wikipedia. Try that on a piece of text where you previously got the LLM warning and see what happens with the indirect process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:08, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I tested that out. It seems that when you paste from Microsoft Word, it gives the warning. When I pasted the text into Notepad and then copied it from Notepad and pasted it, the warning did not appear. Thank you for the advice. ItsShandog (talk) 18:55, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

@ItsShandog That's interesting. Having used Word, Notepad, and several other text editors for many years, I am confused as to what kind of "metadata" could be in the pasted text, especially if you can't see it. I believe that copying by way of Notepad will change curly quotes to straight quotes, and also change em-dashes to hyphens. Curly quotes and em-dashes might be tripping the edit filter. David10244 (talk) 01:13, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Word can probably be persuaded to mimic a text editor, but it isn't a text editor. (Or, it's "a text editor" in the same sense that an army tank is "an automobile".) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 01:59, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Please be very careful what you enable in Word, or Copilot may greatly exceed its responsibilities and rewrite text instead of just checking spelling. M kuhner (talk) 16:58, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

I would make sure Word isn't rewriting text. That's something that would be noticeable if I wrote something else and it was changed. It just has the little red line under words to correct spelling; that's what I'm referring to. ItsShandog (talk) 17:15, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

@ItsShandog Yes, that red squiggly line is placed there by Word. Notepad itself doesn't do that.

Other text editors might or might not have spell-check, and they will differ in how they mark the presumed errors.

If you copy text from Word and paste that into the source editor in Wikipedia, those error indicators are not pasted. That's not actually metadata; it's more of an "annotation" or a "decoration" that is visible while you are using Word. David10244 (talk) 03:24, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

And the red squiggly line in a Wird doc is not related to Wikipedia's LLM paste check filter. David10244 (talk) 03:25, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

Ms Paint Adventures as a source

I wanted to create an article about the character Ace Dick, but i don't know if i can use mspaintadventures.com (or in other case, homestuck.com) as a source for the information about the character.

I'll try to check tomorrow for replies. Galaxia XDyeah (talk) 19:27, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Hello and welcome! No, those sources don't work because they aren't the kind discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources and at WP:42. Those links explain what kind of sources are needed; WP:42 is especially meant for how to write a successful article. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 19:45, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

For articles on fictional characters, what's generally needed is evidence that the character specifically has been discussed at length in reliable sources, usually academia or reviews of the work they originate from. See Bart Simpson as an example. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Thriller Night!} 08:28, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Where to find suggested edits?

I followed tutorials but it doesn't come up as an option for me. PersephoneOrchid (talk) 10:13, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

You may visit the Community Portal for editing suggestions(under "help out"). 331dot (talk) 10:18, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

To be honest, the suggested edits system is sort of a mess. I would point you to the WP:Task center instead which encourages you to find things to fix and then fix them (which is an important part of the process to learn) rather than just handing you a problem and telling you "revise tone" or the likes. Athanelar (talk) 10:19, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

I was very recently answering a question from someone who had been sent to "revise tone" but apparently had no idea what that was. In this case I blame the instructions and not the person; how were they supposed to know what to do? TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 12:57, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

@TooManyFingers: Next to "Revise tone" is an information icon which displays MediaWiki:Growthexperiments-homepage-suggestededits-tasktype-description-revise-tone on hover or click. I don't know whether the user saw it but we could add a link to Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Tone. I don't know how well the examples chosen by suggested edits will match it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:55, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

I probably understand why the people who wrote that hover/click text used incomprehensible gibberish, but if I was a new editor, my reaction to it would be disbelief. Help readers access trustworthy information, for example, is probably not part of any realistic description of what's required, and is certainly not part of a concise how-to blurb. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 21:53, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

@PersephoneOrchid: Is "Display newcomer homepage" enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal-homepage? Do you see "Suggested edits" at the top left of Special:Homepage?PrimeHunter (talk) 13:41, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

@PersephoneOrchid, taking a quick look at your account it seems you are on the newer side. Incase you didn't know, you could always join a WikiProject, and try and do a specific task from that project.

Also, thank you, for your edit on Tsuen Wan Government Secondary School. Issac I Navarro (talk) 15:41, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

PEACOCK ¹

Continue answering tmevp ~2026-57853-57 (talk) 16:38, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

This is a Help Desk, where we answer questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia. What is your question? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:42, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Is my new signature annoying?

I was hoping to make my signature more compact and aesthetic. And it does take up less horizontal space; but looking at it in the source editor it's unexpectedly long, converted into HTML. Is it disruptively long/teetering on the edge? (And therefore out of line with WP:CUSTOMSIG/P?) I also wonder whether the triple-decker text disrupts the flow of the page – am I using sub- and superscript too freely? Would {{su}} be acceptable?

Hope this is the right forum to get feedback on this. Thanks! §§ In solidarity,LegFun(Talk page) §§ 19:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, it's annoying because of it's vertical height when viewing it on a page, and is irritating to look at in the source editor. qcne (talk) 19:36, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

My advice with signatures; the KISS principle applies. A wonderful, creative signature which looks super cool and interesting for you is often annoying for others, who mostly just need it so that they can get your username and a link to your talk page. Obviously there is allowance for creativity for a reason, but I'm personally of the mind that a boring signature is a good signature. One might say it's one of my leges fundamentales. Athanelar (talk) 19:52, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Yes, that is a good principle. I was actually trying to make it simultaneously unobtrusive yet individual, but that effort evidently failed. §§ In solidarity, Leg.Fun. §§ 20:09, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

@LegesFundamentales: It's far longer than the 255 characters allowed by WP:SIGLENGTH, and I agree the appearance is annoying. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:56, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Ah – I feel rather silly, but I actually didn't grasp that the 255-character limit applied to the HTML-ified version, rather than to the wikitext markup entered into the user preferences system. I figured it was to keep the template structure manageable, to prevent oversized pages. Of course, it makes more sense that the policy applies to what actually appears in the source editor and interferes with easy perusal... §§ In solidarity, Leg.Fun. §§ 20:12, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Wrong personal information

How to correct birth date ~2026-57821-91 (talk) 19:58, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-57821-91 On which article? Athanelar (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Server page

Sorry to bug you guys but I was wondering if me and my fellow owners may make and edit a wiki article about our minecraft roleplay server? I didn't see anything about something like this so I wanted to make sure it was allowed. WillowWisp01 (talk) 00:36, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

No, probably not. Wikipedia is not a free web host, articles here need to meet our notability requirements and your server probably doesn't, I'm afraid. You could use software like Obsidian to write your own locally-hosted "wiki" for your server. Athanelar (talk) 00:38, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

@WillowWisp01: You may want to consider other wiki farms like Miraheze. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:59, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

Is there a place where I can find articles that need editing?

Hello everyone, I recently made a Wikipedia because I love to learn, and I pick up information extremely quickly. Because of this I think I would be a good editor, but I don’t know where to start. My question is; how do I go about finding articles that need help, and if there is a place where I can see a list of them.

Thank you,

-fishyjamjam, they/them Fishyjamjam (talk) 10:20, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

You might want to start at the WP:Task center, which has lots of suggested tasks as well as categories full of articles that need those tasks done. Athanelar (talk) 10:47, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

@Fishyjamjam You should have a homepage tab on your userpage, if you create some content there. It will give suggestions. Alternatively, just click on Special:Homepage. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:36, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Help me delete notifications.

Please help delete notifications The Coder77 (talk) 11:31, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

@The Coder77 This is the help desk for Wikipedia. If you mean Wikipedia notifications, click on the notification then click on "mark all as read". Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:32, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

They are not deleting. The Coder77 (talk) 14:38, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

As I understand it, you cannot delete notifications. To receive less notifications, you can uncheck all boxes here:

🔔 Your alerts ⚙ Preferences

1101 (talk) 20:51, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest

Hello: I would like to create a Wikipedia page for a 38 year old community writing series that was co-founded by my late husband. Naturally, its members are my friends/colleagues. Does this rule out my submission? ~2026-57972-37 (talk) 13:46, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

Not if you create the proposed article as a Wikipedia:Draft and submit it for assessment via the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process, most easily done by using the Wikipedia:Article wizard, though you should be aware that if it is accepted, you and anyone else connected with it will not be allowed to make more than trivial alterations to it because of your clear Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, but will have to request other disinterested editors to do so.

However, to qualify for a Wikipedia article, a subject has to meet criteria of Wikipedia:Notability, briefly summarised at WP:42, which please carefully read. Has your community writing project really been the subject of (at least) three substantially long, and independent (of you and each other), pieces published in what we term Wikipedia:Reliable sources?

Be aware that the article may only contain facts that are actually present in the sources that you cite, and every fact must be cited to satisfy our strict Wikipedia:Verifiability policy; facts that you personally know but which have not been published cannot be included. Anyone else in the World, however, will be free to edit it further in compliance with our rules and policies, whether you like their edits or not (see Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing).

If it has, by all means proceed as suggested above. Note that editing on Wikipedia has quite a steep learning curve, and it is normal, particularly for new editors, to have drafts declined for further improvements several times before reaching acceptable layout, citation and other standards. This is fine; only if the submission is Rejected should you give up, but if it is, please do so because this would constitute a judgement by the assessor that the subject is inherently unsuitable for a Wikipedia article. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-56420-06 (talk) 14:22, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

Where do I submitt my concerns

HIV/AIDs Kweyongeza (talk) 21:54, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

assisting for the support for HIV patients

g Kweyongeza (talk) 21:56, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

This is not a general help desk for the internet, we can only help with questions about Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 22:09, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

And we CANNOT offer medical advice in any fashion. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Thriller Night!} 06:40, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

About placing an order

I'm nipping this in the bud. OP, CONTACT YOUR DOCTOR. Talib, don't hint at being able to offer medical advice. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Thriller Night!} 06:38, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

I need to place an order for paraguard is there anyone to talk to by phone? ~2026-57937-67 (talk) 00:23, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Your doctor. Do you have a Primary care provider? 1101 (talk) 00:36, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Page size bug

It appears to give an inflated number in preview. For example, the prose in Rarotonga starling is 1003 B (175 words), but if you preview it, it says 2046 B (357 words). Which means I have to go back over a bunch of articles I thought I had already destubbed for the destubathon. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:57, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

I can't reproduce this; but the place to ask would be WT:Prosesize. LittlePuppers (talk) 01:12, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Did you edit the complete page, preview it and then page size it? Anyway, I'll take it to Prosesize. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:19, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

I added ran page size (175 words) added a few words, previewed, and it showed a few words more than it showed before. LittlePuppers (talk) 01:22, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

no page for WEA sec gen

I am surprised that the World Evangelical Alliance has a wikipedia page but its Secretary General Rev Botrus Mansour elected a year ago has no page ~2026-55319-54 (talk) 06:30, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Our standards for organisations and living people are apples and oranges. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Thriller Night!} 06:37, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Apparently the WEA has been around for over 100 years and Mansour was only elected a year ago, so there are likely to be more sources for the WEA. And then, if Mansour is suitable for an article, someone needs to write it. TSventon (talk) 06:51, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Hawaiian language

Why did Noam Chomsky make a remark in one of his webinars that Hawaiian language was the root of all languages? ~2026-58334-48 (talk) 12:22, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

The help desk is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia; the reference desk would be the better place to ask such a question. ~~ qkuldo(tell me about it) 12:51, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Also, while Chomsky has made bold claims, he is very unlikely to be the actual source of stupid claims like that one. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 06:28, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

About Peter England company cite web

About Peter England company cite web ~2026-58176-28 (talk) 14:04, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-58176-28 I assume this relates to your edit to Aditya Birla Fashion and Retail which was reverted as lacking a citation. The basic instructions for creating citations are at Help:Referencing for beginners, with use of the template {{Cite web}} if that is your source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Jewish Engineers page

Why not add Richard D. Gitlin ? Richard Gitlin (talk) 18:30, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

I assume you mean add him (you?) to Category:Jewish engineers? Given that the article says nothing about him being Jewish, we'd have no justification in doing so. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:37, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Do contact details require a revdel?

If an article includes or included contact details like email addreses or phone numbers, does that information need to be revdel'd or is just removing it from the current revision sufficient? – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 19:02, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

I suggest informing Wikipedia:Requests for oversight, they should know what to do. Obviously don't link the page concerned on a talk page. TSventon (talk) 19:12, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Yes. We always err on the side of caution with personally identifying information, and this includes contact information. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Thriller Night!} 19:13, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

To clarify, these appear to be the contact details for a workplace, specifically a school, not an individual person. Is going through the oversight team still necessary? – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 19:27, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

If you think the contact details may be "Non-public personal information about a real individual", contact the oversight team and see what they do. TSventon (talk) 19:39, 1 November 2026 (UTC)

Question about using LiveATC or anything similar as a source for audio

Hi, im kinda a newbie here. I just want to know if Wikipedia allows for LiveATC (or something similar to it) to be used as a source or is it considered unreliable? I havent found my answer anywere so Stmbus (talk) 00:11, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Stmbus, I'd guess that what's meant is liveatc.net. If so, and if I understand what the site is for [NB I've only glanced at it], then what you'd get from it would be "primary". Please see "Primary, secondary and tertiary sources". -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 00:23, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Thanks and yea its liveatc.net which does live atc recording. ill see that page Stmbus (talk) 00:27, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Advice on reassessing an undisclosed paid-editing tag

Hello,

I'm looking for advice on how to get an independent reassessment of the undisclosed-paid-editing notice on Juan Bernal Ponce.

I'm the subject's son, and I've disclosed that connection on my user page. I began addressing this issue on January 11, 2026, nearly ten months ago. I also explained that I previously hired a freelancer to assist with formatting. Since January, I've been using the article's Talk page rather than editing the article directly.

Several independent editors have since reviewed and cleaned up parts of the article, including removing wording and material they considered inappropriate.

In August, I requested a reassessment of the remaining notice on the article's Talk page, but so far have received no response. In October, I contacted the editor who originally added the notice in June 2024, but haven't heard back either.

I'm not asking to remove the notice myself. I'd simply like to know the appropriate process for requesting an independent review, particularly given the disclosures and subsequent editorial changes. If there are outstanding concerns that need to be addressed, I'd appreciate knowing what they are.

You can see the previous discussion here: Talk:Juan Bernal Ponce#Review of undisclosed paid editing tag.

Thank you for understanding and suggestion, it really means a lot.

Juanj1979 (talk) 07:30, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Please don't use AI to talk to us. It's not allowed

The tag will be removed when an editor with no connection to the subject does a full review of the article to ensure there is no remaining promotional content and then removes the tag. Athanelar (talk) 10:44, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

The first assessment was already independent. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 06:31, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

table help

I'm not sure if this is the right place, if there is a better place to ask please tell me, I have been working on a H;TABLE for a while and I am finally happy with it, however, on mobile it is collapsed why might that be? User:Issac I Navarro/sandbox 2. Issac I Navarro (talk) 08:11, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

might Template:Round corners fix the issues that I have on viewing it on mobile? Issac I Navarro (talk) 08:20, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

@Issac I Navarro: What do you mean by "it is collapsed"? User:Issac I Navarro/sandbox 2 looks the same to me in desktop and mobile. "Project updates", "Article guidance and policy", "Ways to contribute" are collapsed by default in both. The whole table is expanded with no collapse option in both. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:17, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter, using desktop is fine. Also, logging on Wikipedia via phone on the internet is also fine.

However, when you load it in the Wikipedia mobile app, it collapses. Is this just an app thing? I have seen other tables be able to load in full on the app. Issac I Navarro (talk) 15:21, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

To note, I was using the WP:ANDROID app to test it being loaded. Issac I Navarro (talk) 15:24, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

@Issac I Navarro: Are you sure it's displayed in the app? "mobile" means the mobile view for browsers, not the app. The bottom of pages in a browser have a "Desktop view" or "Mobile view" link to switch between browser views no matter which device you are on. The iOS app cannot display userspace pages as far as I know but automatically switches to the browser on the device if you tap a link to userspace. I don't know the Android app and don't have a device to test it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Issac I Navarro (talk) 16:09, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

This is what I see on the android app. Using Google/any other internet browser it displays fine, while on the smartphone. Issac I Navarro (talk) 16:10, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

I get the same as you. I have often seen items collapsed on the Android app, but have not explored the circumstances. ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Interesting, do you have any idea why WP:TOLN, (below) might be loading fine? Issac I Navarro (talk) 16:32, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

@Issac I Navarro: It may be feature which automatically collapses everything before the first heading in some namespaces, unrelated to tables. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:03, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Interesting, that may make sense as infoboxes are also collapsed on the app. Issac I Navarro (talk) 17:08, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

I just tried to load it on User Talk:Issac I Navarro#edit test. that i will be undoing, and on the app, it completely removes the table. I'm trying to make this table very user friendly. Issac I Navarro (talk) 19:53, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

I never really noticed but it seems that for whatever reason this is an issue for all tables

. I was taking a look at some old wikilove templates they also appeared this same way. Issac I Navarro (talk) 19:58, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

@ColinFine and @PrimeHunter, Thank you, for trying to help but this seems like an app issue. That for whatever reason it has a difficult time loading the table/any template on a user talk page. Issac I Navarro (talk) 20:01, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

To note, I tried placing the code for it here: . Sorry for taking up your time. Once again, thank you for trying to help. Issac I Navarro (talk) 21:39, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

, this table loads fine from WP:TOLN. Issac I Navarro (talk) 16:19, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Thumbnail generation broken?

Hi, is thumbnail generation broken at the moment, somehow, please? These just show up as blank boxes for me:

• 
• 

First noticed at Nikon Df.

Same results with 1280px, 1920px, and 3840px --Kjoonlee 14:43, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Also asked on commons: Commons:Help desk#Thumbnails being delayed again? --Kjoonlee 14:53, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

They're showing up normal for me. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 21:40, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Oh... They show up for me when I use a VPN to the US, but not when I connect without a VPN. --Kjoonlee 00:36, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

I've no issue seeing either. Maybe it's potentially a caching issue, and it needs to be cleared? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:04, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

Issue was also reproduced in Finland. Reported as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T443483 Some thumbnail sizes for some images give 404 errors from some geographical locations --Kjoonlee 17:52, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

Wikilink to specific logid

Is there a wikilink alternative, i.e. using double square brackets, or a template that allows linking to a specific log entry given its logid? Rather than having to use the external link syntax like this: logid 187084043. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:20, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

@SunloungerFrog: Special:Redirect like Special:Redirect/logid/187084043. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:53, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, many thanks! Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:55, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

real Wikipedia editor or phishing?

I received an email from Arfat Ali who says he is a Wikipedia editor and consultant. He is offering to write a Wikipedia page to describe my contributions to science.

Is he a real Wikipedia editor or is this a phishing email?

~2026-58324-52 (talk) 16:05, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

The email is a scam. Please see the scam warning. 331dot (talk) 16:08, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-58324-52 Please forward the entire conversation, including any email headers, to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:47, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Anyone (including you) can become a Wikipedia editor. It doesn't guarantee any particular skill or grant special access. If you are a notable scientist then a volunteer is likely to write a neutral article about you free of charge. If not, then there is no way to buy an article from Wikipedia itself (and certainly not from a self-appointed "consultant"). Adding an autobiography is strongly discouraged. You may find the guidance at WP:PROF, WP:About you and WP:PAID useful. Certes (talk) 19:54, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Source from a youtube video uploaded by the NTSB.gov

 Courtesy link: Talk:2026 Palm Beach County Learjet 60 crash § NTSB Media Briefing 1 on YouTube

hello

Youtube is generally considered unreliable under WP:RSPSOURCES. However a source somebody used is from youtube under the official NTSB.gov account. Since it comes from a reputable, official government source, can it be used.

Here is the source: Stmbus (talk) 19:15, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

YouTube videos are acceptable if they are from the verified channel of the publisher, like a news organization. A government agency's videos, if their channel is verified, would be okay, but could only be used as primary sources. 331dot (talk) 19:18, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

alright, thanks Stmbus (talk) 19:23, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

from the verified channel of the publisher

Almost. From the verified channel of a known reliable publisher. Just being verified is definitely not enough; lots of verified accounts are not reliable. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 06:22, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

Format issue

Your webpage using Apple's Safari browser is just terrible. One narrow band of text with no search function to go off the first page. What gives?? Y8rdoc (talk) 19:17, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia has several alternative skins available for those of us who dislike the narrow band of text. The Main Page and most other pages have a search box top right. I'm not using Apple products but I'm not aware of any problems specific to Safari. Certes (talk) 19:45, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

On Safari as of late there is a narrow band of text and nothing else. No search area etc. Y8rdoc (talk) 21:10, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

The answer is...inadvertent reader mode turned on! Turn it off and you get the real Wiki page. Thanks for your time. Y8rdoc (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

Happens to the best of us! Suðurhafsljósæta (talk) 08:25, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Is "show nearby articles" broken in location maps?

I want to show all nearby articles on a location map for Canyon Diablo (canyon), Two Guns, Arizona, Canyon Diablo Bridge, etc. But only one shows up here and there, while others don't show up at all. I notice there are several variables at work but I don't know what connects them all. For example, many of these articles use different infobox templates which render the locations differently, etc. So how do we get the "show nearby articles" to work on a universal basis in Open Street maps across different articles? Viriditas (talk) 02:26, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

Loving Spoonful

When I look this up, I get the band that took the name of a song by Mississippi John Hurt, to which there is NO mention. I appreciate that John Sebastian was indeed inspired by persons like John Hurt, but this should be foremost in the Wiki description.

~2026-58283-87 (talk) 03:55, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-58283-87: The quote box at The Lovin' Spoonful#First live dates says: Fritz suggested the Lovin' Spoonful, a line from Hurt's 1963 song "Coffee Blues." And Mississippi John Hurt#Tributes says: The folk-rock band The Lovin' Spoonful took their name from a recurring phrase in Hurt's song "Coffee Blues". PrimeHunter (talk) 05:45, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

Citing Sources

As a brief forward to anyone who saw the section title and panicked, I indeed know the importance of citing sources and that I should be doing it. Not sure how necessary this forward is, but better safe than sorry.

I've recently begun editing articles in comparatively major ways that require sources cited. (I'm asking here and not the Teahouse because I feel this means I'm definitely not a new newcomer anymore.) But as I cite sources, I find that it's super inefficient to work with the large and unwieldy template. I wind up having to copy-and-paste another cite source template from elsewhere on the page and going through to replace the information like links, source names, dates published and retrieved, and what-have-you. I was wondering if there was a more efficient way to rapidly have the template appear, ready to be filled in, or if copy-and-pasting the template over and replacing things is the most efficient way to do this compared to just typing everything out. Also, is this a frowned upon method of adding sources? It hasn't gone wrong yet and I've seen nothing against it so far, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's okay to use as a method.

As one last question, I have noticed that all of the templates are formatted differently in the order information is to be filled in. Some include date retrieved, some include author name, some don't include one or both, etc. Clearly this means there is no standard, but what is the source template used most frequently?

Thank you in advance to whoever takes the time to help a rookie who's probably trying to do things he doesn't get yet. WhyNotZoidberg? ^{Woop-woop-woop!} 05:29, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

@Username?WhyNotZoidberg?: It looks like you edit somewhat frequently in the visual editor. Is the "Automatic" tab in the "Add a citation" window (that appears when you click on Cite) not what you're looking for? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:36, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

Hrm. I haven't seen that yet. I'll do a dummy edit somewhere and poke around. Thank you! Edited to add in something without adding a new reply: I found what you mentioned and that is incredibly useful! Thanks a lot! WhyNotZoidberg? ^{Woop-woop-woop!} 05:37, 3 November 2026 (UTC) Edited 05:42, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

WNZ, you say I have noticed that all of the templates are formatted differently in the order information is to be filled in. Really? As far as I know, whether you write |first=Joe |last=Bloggs or |last=Bloggs |first=Joe (as a trivial example) makes no difference. For a book, you could, if you wished, enter the year, then the publisher, then the place, then the series title (etc, in the reverse of the conventional order), and all would be fine. (I'm not recommending that you take up this practice: doing so might mildly irritate later editors of the same article.) -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 08:00, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

As outlined in the relevant guideline (WP:CITESTYLE), there is no one format (although citations within a single article should be consistent). I find myself referencing Wikipedia:Citation templates all the time, particularly the "Examples" section. The citation style I use the most myself is WP:CS2, but sometimes I use WP:CS1 for certain sources like press releases. ExitTheWarrior (talk) 17:05, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

@Username?WhyNotZoidberg?: Hoary is correct. It does not matter which order parameters are listed in when citing using {{cite book}}, {{cite web}} or any other template. If there's anything else you don't understand, please say so. Mjroots (talk) 10:06, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

How to create a module

Rajdhani Fan Person (talk) 15:22, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

What for? TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 17:05, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

Help:Lua is your starting point. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 20:28, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

Newcomer task

British Latin has a newcomer task to revise the tone of the paragraph beginning Equally puzzling is why the Britons, almost uniquely among western European peoples, did not end up speaking a Romance language. How can I stop this, as I don't think the newcomers are improving the paragraph? I added {{No newcomer task}}, but I still see the task. The task says it is identified using a BERT model. TSventon (talk) 21:05, 3 November 2026 (UTC)

I question which sources actually call this puzzling; it sounds like OR to me. But I do see that most newcomers would just make it worse. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 01:56, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

No, it is a valid historical linguistics question, given that most of Great Britain was occupied for not much less time than, say, Transalpine Gaul (roughly what is now France), and it does come up from time to time.

As far as the tone of the paragraph is concerned, I see no problem with it, but it does somewhat restate what has already been said in the paragraph above and elsewhere. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-56420-06 (talk) 03:51, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Being a valid question, and being a valid question that reliable sources have called "puzzling", are different things - that was what I was trying to get at. I agree that the tone checker seems to find the wrong things. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 16:06, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

The source argues that Britain "should have" ended up speaking a form of Latin, so arguably that means it is puzzling that it didn't. TSventon (talk) 18:26, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

That's just what I meant, relating to WP:SYNTH with its opposition to a conclusion not explicitly stated. I guess it depends how far that idea gets taken. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 19:55, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Bild Lilli doll / Lilli (comic strip)

• Bild Lilli doll
• Lilli (comic strip)
• (Unreliable source) Meet Lilli, the High-end German Call Girl Who Became Barbie

The above website, while not usable as a source, contains multiple images of the comic. Is there a source with a compatible license so we can show one or two of those comics? --Guy Macon (talk) 05:36, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: Apparently the artist, Reinhard Beuthien (Q120667387), died in 1970 and his work is protected for 70 years PMA. If you found a reliable source you could make a fair use argument for an image on Wikipedia. TSventon (talk) 06:14, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Joind

i want joind illuminati group plz help e to joind

Shabaaz123 (talk) 08:51, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Shabaaz123.

What is your question about editing Wikipedia? (That is the only kind of question that is relevant on this page). ColinFine (talk) 10:37, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

To qualify for membership, you have to be able to track them down by yourself. Study the literature. Emberto Eco's book Foucault's Pendulum may guide you. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230,.195} 00:08, 5 November 2026 (UTC) ~2026-56420-06 (talk) 00:08, 5 November 2026 (UTC)

Takes a while

My latest writing submission was probably 2 months ago, if not more. While I know there's no need to rush on publishing a new writing, it takes longer than I have anticipated and I start wondering if the moderator would pick up my submission. Does anybody face the same timeline as me, or maybe longer than that? I want to manage my own expectation. Acupoflatte (talk) 11:02, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Your seventh submission of Draft:Travelodge Hotels Asia was on 9th October, which was four weeks ago, not two months.

Drafts are not reviewed in any particular order, so there is no reliable way of predicting when they will be reviewed.

Given that the draft still clearly has no WP:CORPDEPTH sources, I'm surprised that no reviewer has yet looked at it and declined it. Perhaps this is because, after six declines and no improvement, it is likely to get finally rejected, and that takes a little more thought than declining.

Have you read WP:BOSS? ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Listicles for notability.

Hi, I am Dare2Leap.

I wanna ask a question: are all listicles ineligible for proving notability or just tend not to? I am currently working on Draft:Unciv. One example is https://it.androidsis.com/giochi-senza-pubblicit%C3%A0/. Thanks. |)are2|_eap (Talk) 13:47, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Dare2Leap. Listicles are generally pretty useless as they're a sort of low-effort journalism that websites like to spam out for clicks. They're often very light on analysis (so would fail our significant coverage criteria) and are often paid-for by the company who represents the top product (so would fail our independent criteria). qcne (talk) 14:13, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Usage of Discord rather than the talk page

Hi, I’m fairly new to Wikipedia but this concerned me. It was my understanding that debates about an edit would be discussed exclusively on the appropriate talk page. So my question is this: is it generally standard to use external discussion platforms to settle issues about edits? I wasn’t consulted via discord, I’d like to clarify. I don’t use the platform. Sunshinezguy (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

You're correct that it is generally inappropriate to discuss content-related business offwiki. All such discussions should be held onwiki so that people don't need to have external apps or accounts to be part of that discussion. Athanelar (talk) 15:21, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. This seemed odd Sunshinezguy (talk) 15:21, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There is a page at Wikipedia:Discord with some advice on how to use Discord. It says you can't establish consensus on Discord, but doesn't say you can't discuss content there. TSventon (talk) 15:32, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Sure, but in this example OP was saying that what happened was that some editors decided a quote wasn't appropriate to include in an article based on a discussion they had on Discord. Deciding what content is or isn't appropriate for an article is the sort of thing that probably shouldn't be done on Discord. Athanelar (talk) 15:54, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Account

Hello,

I have an account with Wiki and cannot remember my user name or password. I've tried all of the obvious ones. Can you please assist? I need to change my payment method.

Thank you,

Anne Croy ~2026-58553-16 (talk) 15:15, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-58553-16 Your Wikipedia account has no connection whatsoever to any payment method you used to donate to the Wikimedia Foundation. The only connection between Wikipedia and the WMF is that they "pay our bills" so to speak. You can manage your donation at the Wikimedia foundation's website which contains a link to login using the email address associated with your recurring donation. You can also contact them directly at donate@wikimedia.org for help. Athanelar (talk) 15:19, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Preferred Procedures for Archiving Sources

I was archiving the URLs for the cite web inline citations on Adelina Sotnikova and upon copy-pasting the URL for one of the sources into the Wayback Machine, was given snapshots spanning from 2014 to 2026. Does Wikipedia prefer the earliest available snapshot for archiving sources, or does it prefer the latest available?

Cheers. 붉은혜성라이카/BlazingCometLaika 15:19, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's an official policy/guideline about this, but my instinct would be that we should use the most recent archived snapshot, since that represents the most up-to-date version of the source before it stopped being accessible. (Consider that news articles can be updated or corrected as new information becomes available, for instance; so you'd want the version after any corrections were made, not before.) Athanelar (talk) 15:22, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Sometimes, the very latest archive doesn't even contain the material anymore, so I'd take Athanelar's advice but check that it's the latest "good" one rather than always taking the latest of all. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 15:57, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

@Athanelar@TooManyFingersAlright. Thanks for the advice. If it’s a snapshot of a link that’s still live, should I just use the latest possible link?

Cheers. 붉은혜성라이카/BlazingCometLaika 17:21, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

If the link is still live, then first of all an archive link isn't strictly necessary anyway, but if you still want to include one for futureproofing then yeah, use the latest available archive. Athanelar (talk) 17:31, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

@붉은혜성라이카: Use the archive page that corresponds to the access-date (the earliest one that is after the access-date). If you decide to read a later page and you verify that it still contains the cited facts, then you can use that later page, and you can and should then also change the access-date. -Arch dude (talk) 20:32, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Somec, hatnote

Why is there a hatnote in the Somec entry pointing to A Sleep and a Forgetting? Should it be removed? It is not known as "Somec". ~2026-58705-04 (talk) 16:46, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

In the book, is there not a fictional drug called somec? TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 17:39, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

The latter article does not mention somec. It should either be added there (with a citation of course) or the hatnot removed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits; 17:51, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-58705-04: "A Sleep and a Forgetting" is one of eleven short stories in a book and currently redirects there but used to have its own article with significant mention of the fictional drug Somec. I don't know the book or story but it wasn't among seven reprinted stories so I guess it didn't have much impact and the hatnote should be removed rather than adding Somec to the book article. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Why cant I edit a paragraph about the current liverpool manager who lost to Fenerbahce 3-2 today? The mod tells me I abused the edit twice... but how?

Why cant I edit a paragraph or description about Iraola (Liverpool manager)? ~2026-58581-48 (talk) 20:51, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Your edit are unsourced(see referencing for beginners if you can provide a source) and this edit contains unsourced personal commentary("he could be sacked") 331dot (talk) 21:11, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

How to Publish sandbox article?

Hello, I am trying to publish a short bio about my company? I developed in Sandbox, so the initial draft is ready. Please advise.

Thanks... -Rod CATSanDiego (talk) 22:57, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

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My entry was flagged as biographical

 Courtesy link: Christopher D'Elia

Christopher Francis D’Elia is my entry.

When I was a dean at LSU, it was suggested that I have a Wikipedia entry because I was so involved with important Gulf research that attracted much media attention. Someone on my staff posted an entry. I had little to do with it, and I did not review it carefully. I have since retired and wanted that to be noted on my entry. I made that change, but I realized that there was a lot wrong with the entry. Being unfamiliar with your guidelines, I edited it extensively myself. The entry was flagged. I hired someone with demonstrated knowledge of how content and format should be presented. The company had done several entries for prominent colleagues at other institutions. I think that they did a fine and accurate job. Can you review it, change it as needed, and unflag it? BTW, I really want to have an entry that makes it clear that I am not the actor/comedian Chris D’Elia who got accused of sex crimes. I actually received threatening calls and texts from people who didn’t realize who I was but had found my contact information on the web. I’ve had a long and interesting career, and I didn’t appreciate the fact that I was confused with the actor. ~2026-58704-10 (talk) 23:16, 4 November 2026 (UTC)

Are link anchors *not* preemptive?

Hello! I'm going to add a link to an article section. From what info I could find it seems like adding an anchor preemptively (i.e anchoring the current title without changing it) would help since it protects the link from future changes to the title. But this isn't a use case listed at WP:ANCHOR, and MOS:SECTLINK suggests—instead of adding a preemptive anchor—to add a comment telling future people who change the section title to do fixes.

TLDR I see no MOS/Help examples of anchoring the existing title of a section. Is that nonstandard practice?

(New to anchors as of today, so want to use them correctly!) Placeholderer (talk) 23:33, 4 November 2026 (UTC)